Thursday, 15 March 2012

The key: how you will lose weight and maintain with less struggle!

In my body scan, it was clear that I lost some muscle mass. The PT talked about why this would happen when I have been doing weight workouts - and the answer is I haven't eaten enough!! This was shocking to me! To lose weight, all you basically have to do is cut back on your calorie intake. To lose fat and not muscles you need to eat enough calories (and especially proteins) so that your body leaves your muscles alone, and at the same time munches away your fat. This is where I have failed. Make no mistake, it is very hard to do - and some muscle mass loss is to be expected when losing a lot of weight.

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My BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate) is 1910 calories. That means if I sleep for 24h, that is what my body burns. (Note! This is different for everyone, and your muscles determine how much you burn, so don't use my number to calculate your own intake) My trainer says I should never go below 1910 calories in a day, no matter what. I was told to eat roughly 2000. With my exercise regime, this will enable me to lose fat, and if not gain, at least keep muscles. This contradicts so many of the articles you read about losing weight, all the bloggers averaging from 1100-1300 calories in a day and working out like mad (mostly cardio??)... But the clue here is that I want to not only lose weight as fast as possible, but in a healthy way - keeping as much muscle mass as possible. If my body is going to do that, it needs building bricks (protein), and enough energy to leave the muscles I already have alone. Under-eating will lead your body to burn off not only your fat, but definitely your muscle mass as well. Huge wake up call for me! Please share any thoughts you have on this topic!

This was also tied to maintenance issues. If you have a low percentage of muscle mass, your basal metabolic rate will be low. When at goal weight, the number of calories you need to keep your body going (without gaining fat) is low - and this makes it hard for people to find a balance. There's not enough room calorie wise. With a higher percentage of muscle mass, you can maintain your weight with a higher calorie intake, because your body needs more fuel. Makes sense?

In summary: To lose weight (fat mass), train with weights. To maintain muscles, eat at least your BMR. To maintain at your goal weight with less struggle, have a good/high percentage of muscle mass.


Edit: I posted this as a reply to a comment below: I think it's important to remember that seeing a smaller number isn't solely what is important. If you lose 2lbs one week, and those lbs are muscles.. that is a bad thing. I am mentally prepared for more stand still weeks with this change in diet, but I am confident that my body scan will show a decrease in fat mass, and a gain in muscle mass! There is a definite mental challenge to this, but it's more of a health oriented diet, rather than purely weight loss oriented diet. One would also have to measure, and accept that as a fantastic token of progress!

34 comments:

  1. I have never understood how anyone could survive on 1200kcal or something along the lines. Sticking with 1500 (which was my allowance for some time) was tough enough!

    My current BMR would be roughly 1500, my BMR at goal weight about 1400, so I try to eat not less than 1400 (that one is easy) and not more than my goal weight BMR plus what I burned in real exercise that day - ranging between 200 and 600kcal, depending on workout. Most days I eat about 1600kcal, and currently I am not really worrying about losing weight so much anymore as I am about distributing the weight that is there in an even way. Seems everything that is optional has accummulated between below the ribs and mid-thigh... the rest is looking just fine! ^^

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  2. I have heard about this before. It really is so complicated and just goes to show you that knowledge is so necessary when attempting to lose weight.

    Good luck!

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  3. 1200 calories make for a very hungry day for most of us. I need a bit more just to feel that I'm not starving. Most days I probably eat 1400. Very good post with lots of excellent information!

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  4. This is so interesting Maren!! I eat between 1500-1700 a day. But my problem is I have have troub;e even eating that many calories. I'm eating all day, HA! I wish they had something like this around me!

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  5. This is why the whole "calories in vs calories out" is such a load of crapola. If I hear one more person say "move more, eat less" I'll scream. I've been at this going on 4 years and in that time I've lost 200 lbs and the past 2 years we have CLAWED for it. We're doing super hard workouts, messing with calories because it just is not coming off the way it once did which is to be expected but not when you still have 125 to go. I know I struggle to hit my minimum protein levels and I need to find a way to rectify that (and not with protein powder either) so thanks for the reminder!

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  6. I just try to go by true hunger. My goal is to wait for the growl but that can be pretty tough at times. Shouldn't we just trust our bodies to let us know when they need fuel rather than trying to get all mathematical about it? As long as we are truly hungry and eat nutritious, sensible food shouldn't that do it? It makes me crazy sometimes. Take care.

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  7. I've been doing the 1200 cal thing... and seeing smaller numbers for the most part. Maybe I'll try a week or two of eating up to BMR and see if I can get some results. I double up on protein for work out days... but I wonder if I'd be doing better if I allowed myself to eat more (danger words for a food addict). Definitely food for thought.

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    1. I think it's important to remember that seeing a smaller number isn't solely what is important. If you lose 2lbs one week, and those lbs are muscles.. that is a bad thing. I am mentally prepared for more stand still weeks with this change in diet, but I am confident that my body scan will show a decrease in fat mass, and a gain in muscle mass!

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  8. This is an excellent post, Maren! It is hard to eat "enough" when you want to lose weight. I've been maintaining my weight for almost two years now, and my BMR is approximately 1600-1750 calories (I've never had it truly measured, this is just what rough calculations get me).

    Now, most days I do a TON of cardio too, for training - which means I need to eat at least 2000+ calories regularly. And I do, and I maintain. I'd love to drop another 5-10 pounds, but feeling good when I work out is more important to me than losing that weight.

    I've added weights to my workouts now, because I know I need to build muscle - not just for general health, but because it will make me a better triathlete.

    It isn't all about the weight, but if you do it right, you will lose the weight. It may be slower than you'd like, but you'll be healthier when you arrive at your destination!

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  9. I think my be they time you hit goal weight you are going to be a nutritionist! :) This is excellent information.

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  10. These things are so difficult.. I know bodybuilders often argue that you can't build muscle and cut fat at the same time. I think the important thing to remember is that if you're eating to maintain your muscle, you HAVE to do strength workouts that are equal to or harder than what you were doing before. People who are overweight tend to have a lot more muscle than people who aren't because it takes a lot more work to do everyday activities with that weight, so as the weight comes off you aren't challenging those muscles anymore. Another thing that is important to remember is if you are just doing cardio, especially if you're doing a lot of it, it WILL burn your muscles. Cardio feeds off muscle mass. The rules for someone who is using cardio as their main exercise source will be completely different than for someone who is cross training and lifting weights. Glad to see you're constantly learning and evolving to do what is right for you!

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  11. Thank you for this great post. I wasn't aware of this. How do you calculate your BMR? Or do you need some electric device for this? (That I can not get in China...)
    Please keep us updated on all the good things you are learning. :-)

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    1. Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basal_metabolic_rate) has great info on calculations, and I am sure there are calculators online too. They don't take into account your fat mass vs. muscle mass though, so it's not 100% accurate - but better than nothing, for sure!

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  12. You should really get the book I¨m reading now, Jonathon Bailors "The science to slim". It explains all of this and makes some really good points. It would help you to understand the information your Dr. gave you.

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  13. One of the reasons I strength train is so I have more muscle and burn more calories!! Not sure I'm muscular enough that it's made a difference:(

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  14. So every severly restricted lo cal diet, as practiced by every bariatric surgical patient doesn't work ? Because your trainer said so. My trainer told me today that I should pee sitting down, to not spray the toilet. Not medical news, but then again, he is a high school educated "trainer". C'mon. Seriously.. 252 pounds gone, eating below your BMR on a bigger body, and it works. It really is that simple. Eat less, move more

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    1. I think you need to read the post again. Of course you will lose weight with a very low calorie diet. But what exactly are you losing. Fat, muscle, both? I'm writing here about *MY* point of view, the amount of muscles I have and want to keep, and how muscles influence BMR and thus maintenance. To maintain muscles, and preferably build more, you have to eat at least your BMR to do so..

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    2. Also not true. If you "starve" yourself, you will hit the problem that you want to avoid at 5% body fat. Call me then, and I will agree with you..

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    3. Well, obviously we will have to agree to disagree in this case. I still maintain that to lose fat mass and maintain muscle mass, one cannot under-eat. If you disagree, that's fine. :)

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  15. This is the very thing that has slowed done - if not brought to a standstill - my weight loss. It is quite a concept to get and keep in your head, since there are so many external, "expert" voices saying otherwise. Facts are facts though, and when you're the one living them, that puts you in the role of expert - of yourself.

    I find I have to eat at least 1 more PointsPlus per day than my prescribed allowance, and when I exercise, I have to eat my activity points if I wish to see a loss when I step on the scale. Great post, Maren! :-)

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  16. i am sooo happy to read this post. so many people do not understand this. i know that when i was working out with weights and eating a lot of protein i only lost 15 lbs but those 15 lbs made a HUGE difference in how i looked and how my jeans fit!

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  17. I found this really interesting. It is something I have never thought about. Your post has left me thinking. Thank you x

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  18. Maren, you are so right. It is very important to balance out your exercise by taking in some extra (healthy) calories. If you don't your body feeds on itself but eats the muscle more so than the fat. It's been told to my not only by trainers (some very highly educated), but Doctors, nutritionists, articles by very well known reputable sources, and if you think about it... it really does all make sense:-) Can you lose by eating the bare minimum? Of course you can. Will you lose fat? Sure you will. If you don't do a lot of exercising all will be well but you probably won't gain all that much muscle (the exercise is needed for that). If you do exercise then those are extra calories then that you are burning becuase it's stuff you didn't normally do and aren't accounted for when you initially figure how many calories you should eat. Exercise causes you to burn more, so your body is working harder at that and it needs more fuel to keep going. If you don't fuel it it will fuel itself & just like you, it wants the muscle over the fat becuase it's better:-) Yes you will still burn fat but it may not be as fast, and yes you may see gain but it is in muscle not fat. So it's all in each own's perspective but you have a healthy attitude here, good information, and you are going about it the right way which in the long run will bring you success:-)

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  19. I've read many different ways to lose weight, all claiming that their way is the best way. When I read this, it's probably the first time that I've actually agreed with it throughout just because I could relate to it a lot, most probably because I always ate a lot during my weight loss journey yet still saw a loss on the scales whilst feeling stronger and stronger each week.

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  20. This way of eating is what worked for me! It was amazing to me to have to ADD calories to my day in order to continue losing weight, but it worked! You have to EAT to lose weight--who knew?! :)

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  21. Jonathan Bailor covered this very well (including some fascinating studies) in SMARTER SCIENCE OF SLIM. I began exercising 2 years before I actually started seriously dieting, and I think having a reservoir of muscle helped. Because dieting, even with a lot of protein, means you lose SOME MUSCLE. It's just important to eat protein generously to lose LESS MUSCLE.

    Exercise matters.

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  22. I'm so glad that you are seeing physicians through this journey and aren't allowing the numbers to guide you. It is so important to lose the weight for your health but even more important for you to lose it the right way. You keep on impressing me, Maren!! Ejoy your weekend!

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  23. I am glad you are taking a healthy approach to your weight loss! I have to say I was kin of shocked to see the header of your blog! Noone should refer to themselves as a cow.. But hten I started reading you and you have a lot to say about loving yourself... So good luck with the rest of your journey :)
    I have started lifting more too recently.. And am seeing the results quickly :) Hope it's the case for you too

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  24. In response to your comment on my blog and this post:

    To get a higher percentile of muscle, you have to strategically exercise in a way that will gain muscle. Spend less time of your workout doing cardio and more time lifting weights.

    When lifting weights, expect the very best from yourself that you can do in good form for 8 reps. If you are not grimacing and/or occasionally grunting, then you are not doing your utmost best. If you can chat with another person, then you are not concentrating hard enough. Keep a fitness journal and always try to improve a tiny bit upon last week's sets.

    You have to do more hard work with weightlifting than is comfortable for your body to gain muscle. However, when you are done with a set of 8 or 10 really tough reps (which only takes about 20 seconds), then you get to take a break for 2 to 3 minutes to get your muscles recovered for the next set. So it really is exciting to do your best, but a relaxing pace at the same time.

    I personally concentrate on the chest muscles (biceps and triceps are automatically worked in push-ups and bench presses) and the back muscles (various kinds of lat pull-downs) for weightlifting. I no longer do lower body weightlifting due to it causing problems for one of my knees.

    This is *grossly over-simplified* because it does not discuss a cardio warm-up and warm-up sets before hitting the really tough sets. I read several weightlifting books and learned technique from the weightlifter guys. But this is basically how I got to the point of a 160 bench press and 350 push-ups.<<Just push yourself to get a little better each week and it adds up. I am very muscle-y, which is much better than my former flabbier self. Hopefully, this helps you. Otherwise, just ask me whatever is on your mind. :D

    :-) Marion

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  26. yeah , before starting exercise for weight lose , you must consult you physician that how many calories you have to lose for being healthy and then with his advice , you will do better.

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  27. Great post! I agree with the point you made about the correlation between BMR and weight loss/maintenance. One thing I’ve found to be extremely helpful and useful as a supplement to my current diet/exercise plan is Fullbar (www.fullbar.com). Not only do their products help you lose weight, they also help you maintain your weight loss.

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  28. Great post! I agree with the point you made about the correlation between BMR and weight loss/maintenance. One thing I’ve found to be extremely helpful and useful as a supplement to my current diet/exercise plan is Fullbar (www.fullbar.com). Not only do their products help you lose weight, they help you maintain your weight loss.

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  29. HI, interesting post, found it coz i was googling Hordnesskogen:) In case you want someone to jog/walk with there...be in touch:) I live in that area and I am starting to love the bumpy roads where I can burn some caleories, but it is difficult to find someone to excercise with that has the same problems and motivation...they prefer staying on the couch:)
    In 2007 I was at my heaviest, 122 kilos...lost 25 over a 6 months periode. Then I discovered I could keep the scale under 100 and eat what I wanted...it worked for 4 years. The last year,I have put back on 5 kg and all my alamclocks started ringing, but it took me 6 months to really get motivated to start change the daily routines and loose weight again.
    I am now 95 kg, hoping to continue and get 25 kg again like 5 years ago...I have done 8, just 17 to go...hopefully before Christmas:)

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